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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#124; The Principle of Asset Allocation Part1</title>
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		<title>By: Broke-Ass Student &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Welcome to the 108th Carnival of Personal Finance</title>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/are-real-estate-agents-still-useful/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gate VP, I think you said it all!
I find Realtors are good "secretaries" as they are coordinating all the appointments for you. They are much useful when you are looking to buy a property then when you are trying to sell it!
Cheers,
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gate VP, I think you said it all!<br />
I find Realtors are good &#8220;secretaries&#8221; as they are coordinating all the appointments for you. They are much useful when you are looking to buy a property then when you are trying to sell it!<br />
Cheers,<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Gates VP</title>
		<link>http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/are-real-estate-agents-still-useful/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Gates VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other big helper in Canada (western Canada at least) is &lt;a href="//www.comfree.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Comfree&lt;/a&gt;. Due to the giant labour vacuum that is Alberta, everything is one the rise, even in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

Comfree is huge out here and with houses "selling themselves", not having an agent is like trading 50 hours of work for saving 10k. Of course, as always, there are two things going on here.

1.  Agents are having a rough time b/c private sales are easier
2.  Companies like Comfree and Zillow are removing layers of complexity (thanks to the wonders of the information age), which makes it easier for the DIY crowd to participate.

So what's an agent worth? I think the big deal is "what does an agent bring to the table"? It used to be that the agent had all of the specialized knowledge on "navigating the sales of a home", but now we have this knowledge too (thanks Comfree and Zillow). The agent used to have exclusive legal and financial connections for completing sales, but now these are readily available as well.

So the agent has two roles:
1. &lt;b&gt;When Buying&lt;/b&gt;: the agent must narrow down your search or make it easier. If you're paying a buyer's fee, they should be combing the listings and giving you notes on the properties they've visited on your behalf. They should basically be short-listing homes that you'll want to look at it.

2. &lt;b&gt;When Selling&lt;/b&gt;: the agent is responsible for getting you the best price possible and reducing the overhead on your time for the sale. This means coordination with your mortgage lender of choice (or with a mortgage broker if you trust them) and any legal bodies involved. If somebody wants to bring in an engineer to check the foundation or asses the place, they can coordinate this with your realtor. If you're paying the realtor 15 - 20k for something as simple as selling your home you're effectively giving them like 2-4 months of your own gross income (for most people). If they put in 160 hours (4 full weeks) selling your house, that's still like billing $100/hour. That's like the price for a consulting professional engineer! So they should be able and willing to put in that much time or they're just charging you too much.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other big helper in Canada (western Canada at least) is <a href="//www.comfree.com/" rel="nofollow">Comfree</a>. Due to the giant labour vacuum that is Alberta, everything is one the rise, even in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.</p>
<p>Comfree is huge out here and with houses &#8220;selling themselves&#8221;, not having an agent is like trading 50 hours of work for saving 10k. Of course, as always, there are two things going on here.</p>
<p>1.  Agents are having a rough time b/c private sales are easier<br />
2.  Companies like Comfree and Zillow are removing layers of complexity (thanks to the wonders of the information age), which makes it easier for the DIY crowd to participate.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s an agent worth? I think the big deal is &#8220;what does an agent bring to the table&#8221;? It used to be that the agent had all of the specialized knowledge on &#8220;navigating the sales of a home&#8221;, but now we have this knowledge too (thanks Comfree and Zillow). The agent used to have exclusive legal and financial connections for completing sales, but now these are readily available as well.</p>
<p>So the agent has two roles:<br />
1. <b>When Buying</b>: the agent must narrow down your search or make it easier. If you&#8217;re paying a buyer&#8217;s fee, they should be combing the listings and giving you notes on the properties they&#8217;ve visited on your behalf. They should basically be short-listing homes that you&#8217;ll want to look at it.</p>
<p>2. <b>When Selling</b>: the agent is responsible for getting you the best price possible and reducing the overhead on your time for the sale. This means coordination with your mortgage lender of choice (or with a mortgage broker if you trust them) and any legal bodies involved. If somebody wants to bring in an engineer to check the foundation or asses the place, they can coordinate this with your realtor. If you&#8217;re paying the realtor 15 - 20k for something as simple as selling your home you&#8217;re effectively giving them like 2-4 months of your own gross income (for most people). If they put in 160 hours (4 full weeks) selling your house, that&#8217;s still like billing $100/hour. That&#8217;s like the price for a consulting professional engineer! So they should be able and willing to put in that much time or they&#8217;re just charging you too much.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got this tip from someone who sold their home this way.  He said he had about 20-30 Realtors show up and 5-6 just left right away.  He got his home sold fairly quickly at the price he wanted in a tighter market.  Realtors will also work on bidding up if they know they will make more money by doing so.  It is simply human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got this tip from someone who sold their home this way.  He said he had about 20-30 Realtors show up and 5-6 just left right away.  He got his home sold fairly quickly at the price he wanted in a tighter market.  Realtors will also work on bidding up if they know they will make more money by doing so.  It is simply human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah,
This quite an interesting tip. Do you know anybody that actually tried it? I thought Realtors always ask for a exclusivity agreement first. Let me know!
Cheers,
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah,<br />
This quite an interesting tip. Do you know anybody that actually tried it? I thought Realtors always ask for a exclusivity agreement first. Let me know!<br />
Cheers,<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FourPillars reminds me of my first experience with a real estate agent who questioned my willingness to let a offer potentially fail and my goodness, the b*$t*rd pushed hard.  In the end by sticking to my price we got about an extra 3-4%, but it was still 1-2% less net of fees compared to my neighbour who sold without a realtor.

Unfortunately I have a husband who pushes very hard about wanting a Realtor.

I actually have no problem paying a finders fee or the selling agents commission, but the listing agent truly does very little.

And, here's a tip in a tight need-to-sell-market, put a small ad in a local paper.  100 Realtors will call.  Set up an appointment with all of them at the same time and have good printed material on your home available.  Some of these Realtors are simply going to walk.  The rest you offer the regular selling commission plus a bonus.  The tighter the market, the bigger the bonus.  

Seriously, when you need to sell, and the market is tough, your number one priority needs to be to exit, not worry about the fees.  I've known people who have refused a first offer in a tight market for not meeting their expectations and had their home sit fallow for the next 18 months and ultimately sell it for less than the original offer...

Put emotions and personal attachments aside and assess the market you are dealing with, and your personal needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FourPillars reminds me of my first experience with a real estate agent who questioned my willingness to let a offer potentially fail and my goodness, the b*$t*rd pushed hard.  In the end by sticking to my price we got about an extra 3-4%, but it was still 1-2% less net of fees compared to my neighbour who sold without a realtor.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I have a husband who pushes very hard about wanting a Realtor.</p>
<p>I actually have no problem paying a finders fee or the selling agents commission, but the listing agent truly does very little.</p>
<p>And, here&#8217;s a tip in a tight need-to-sell-market, put a small ad in a local paper.  100 Realtors will call.  Set up an appointment with all of them at the same time and have good printed material on your home available.  Some of these Realtors are simply going to walk.  The rest you offer the regular selling commission plus a bonus.  The tighter the market, the bigger the bonus.  </p>
<p>Seriously, when you need to sell, and the market is tough, your number one priority needs to be to exit, not worry about the fees.  I&#8217;ve known people who have refused a first offer in a tight market for not meeting their expectations and had their home sit fallow for the next 18 months and ultimately sell it for less than the original offer&#8230;</p>
<p>Put emotions and personal attachments aside and assess the market you are dealing with, and your personal needs.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben,
I read your post and went through all the comments. Pretty interesting! And I just discovered a nice blog at the same time!
So far, I had bought 2 properties and a land and sold 1 property and the land as well. I realized that with a bit of research on my own, you can compensate several advantages provided by Realtors.
In fact, I find them more useful when you are looking to buy a house than when you sell it. First, when you buy a property, you are not paying for the Realtor's commission!
I will definitely continue writing about Realtors in a near future.
Cheers,
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben,<br />
I read your post and went through all the comments. Pretty interesting! And I just discovered a nice blog at the same time!<br />
So far, I had bought 2 properties and a land and sold 1 property and the land as well. I realized that with a bit of research on my own, you can compensate several advantages provided by Realtors.<br />
In fact, I find them more useful when you are looking to buy a house than when you sell it. First, when you buy a property, you are not paying for the Realtor&#8217;s commission!<br />
I will definitely continue writing about Realtors in a near future.<br />
Cheers,<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, your article in the Carnival of Personal Finance caught my eye.  I had some pretty good discussion on a similar article a while back, http://moneysmartlife.com/are-real-estate-agents-worth-the-money. 

I won't rehash the different arguments but there are some good cases made for both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, your article in the Carnival of Personal Finance caught my eye.  I had some pretty good discussion on a similar article a while back, <a href="http://moneysmartlife.com/are-real-estate-agents-worth-the-money" rel="nofollow">http://moneysmartlife.com/are-real-estate-agents-worth-the-money</a>. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t rehash the different arguments but there are some good cases made for both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Helen,
I tend to agree with Mr. Cheap, real estate agent a more likely to think about the impact on their pocket right away. They will not necessarily put the price down by 15K but they will surely push the sellers to accept the first offer. It incurs less income, but much less work and a faster paycheck. If they can sell 10 properties more per year, they will gladly lose 1K per property as they will probably make 10K per houses anyway.
Cheers,
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Helen,<br />
I tend to agree with Mr. Cheap, real estate agent a more likely to think about the impact on their pocket right away. They will not necessarily put the price down by 15K but they will surely push the sellers to accept the first offer. It incurs less income, but much less work and a faster paycheck. If they can sell 10 properties more per year, they will gladly lose 1K per property as they will probably make 10K per houses anyway.<br />
Cheers,<br />
FB.</p>
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